thread Right, findus crispy pancakes,
does anyone actually like them?
permalink No.
I have a nearly full packet in the freezer, but hate throwing food out. They are truly manky.
permalink I've got some 3 year old mince in the freezer that I bought as a BOGOF offer.

A week later my microwave died, and remembering to defrost stuff hours before I intend to eat, isn't my 'style'.
permalink I hate defrosting things.
I always forget its in the fridge, then get paranoid im going to cause myself a slow and agonising death by dodgy chicken.
permalink You know you shouldn't eat it now,
right?
permalink
permalink Fuckin throw it out then ;)
permalink good idea
I'll do it now, while I remember
permalink if you cook anything long and hard enough
it'll be fine
permalink it's been in the freezer for 3 years
what could possibly still be growing on it? i'd eat it.
permalink freezing it doesn't stop stuff growing on it,
it just slows it down.
permalink Well, -80°C would be pretty save,
the usual -18°C is laughed at by the hard Northerner types of bacteria.
permalink how are they at being fried though?
permalink That kills them,
but you better hope it's not the kind of bastards* who produce a poison to keep other multicellular organisms like you off their munchies, because the poison will survive the frying no sweat.

*and it’s always them
permalink the swine, i could have 'em
in a fight though
permalink Jonas, do you rember when you said
you came up with an idiot proof way to prevent double posting.
It appears I broked it.
permalink Two ways to prevent double posts
1] Before inserting a new post, query for the last post by the user, and if the subject and body matches, ignore it
- or -
2] Use AJAX and disable the submit button on submit
permalink I have an implementation of option 1 in test at the moment.
Whilst it means an extra database query per post, I prefer it to the ajax option as it works even for people who disable javascript or don't have it available on their browser (phone/pdas/etc).
permalink option 1 seems likely to be a bit hard on the server to me
though I'm not particularly good at optimising sql stuff, I'm under the impression querying long strings isn't terribly efficient
permalink Well, you're not doing the querying in the database,
merely doing a simple select to get the most recent post by that user.

You then do the string comparison in your code, which should be relatively lightweight.

Admittedly, there's will be a performance hit, but I don't think it's unwarranted. The whole site and database structure is geared up to minimise impact when reading, as that's what is done most often.
permalink I cache my board data and invalidate it if and when a post is made or updated
That way a simple F5 typically doesn't touch the database. I can't remember the perf increase but I think something like 10x faster in terms of fetching data. I've gone for [2] so double posts are impossible too
permalink I haven't even begun to look seriously at caching yet.
The django framework has some pretty hefty caching mechanisms in it, and I'll make use of those for some areas of the site as they're no-effort to me solutions.

For the board itself, I like your idea of invalidating the cache when a post is modified or created, and I know I can hook into the framework's cache structure to provide that sort of functionality, so it's something I'll look at.

Currently, there's a ratio of about 25:1 with reads to writes, so an approach like that should yield reasonable benefits.
permalink Incidentally, I was comparing database performance between this codebase and the old one,
and it seems like I've made things 10* times better already, which is pleasing.



*9.873 to be precise.
permalink It's just a shame you're persisting with php
permalink unless I've very much mistaken, it's phython and django
rather than php
permalink I'm not.
It's all in python now!

PHP is an abortion and should be stuck in a shallow grave.
permalink Sorry (both) I realised my mistake on the way home
I meant python of course. I did also change my mind on the way home since python is quite a sweet language. django looks alright but the whole approach is fundamentally broken I think. It does do exactly what you need, but I think you'll find it hard to expand beyond a simple web app

Basically I think it should have a service based architecture, but I've probably been reading too many WCF books
permalink I've come to a similar conclusion regarding django
as I've been considering using it for a work thing but think it's a bit limited for what I'm after

that said, it seems it's quite easy to write your own framework in python so there's no need to use django if it doesn't suit
permalink I'm all for doing it myself but that looks like a lot of hard work to me
It's a pity you refuse to come over to the dark side. You'll find all the best language features of python are already in C# (ie lambdas, anonymous types, closures etc), and the environment is much easier to get to grips with. Of course you could try IronPython too, which is faster than Python (which itself if a bit of a dog performance wise -- though better than Ruby)

Shame really
permalink ah, yes
I hadn't considered using the last post by the user to check against rather.

I was imagining it checking the whole db for duplicates.
permalink Nah, that way madness lies.
And certainly nothing like that was responsible for crippling the database under the old code base. Oh no.
permalink I didn't say I'd implemented it.
;-)
permalink depends on the type of spores.
permalink true, if you had some sort of laboratory freezer or something, you might be ok.
permalink if you stored your food in the LHC, you'd be OK
at 1.9 K, it'd be hard to find a bacteria that'd grow in that sort of temperature
permalink build it
and they will come
permalink ssshhh!
we almost had him eating 3 year old mince!
permalink i don't want poots sick!
you horrid meanies :(
permalink are you calling him a poof?
EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT! EAT IT!
permalink hahaha,
it's sounding like a dare.
permalink i think most food started out as dares
how else would we have discovered that seafood is really nice
permalink Imagine all the dares
that went wrong . . .

permalink Haggis
permalink Was that a failure
or a lie?
permalink uurgh look, Ug's drinking cows milk
how fucking gross is that!
permalink see also
chicken eggs
permalink Chuck enough chilli powder in with it
and it should be fine . .
permalink nope
well, they may have changed in the 20 odd years since I last had one, but certainly I didn't like them when I was a kid
permalink YES!
Although the only true Findus Cripsy Pancake, was the curry one, but they stopped making those years ago, the fools.

The other flavours are rubbish and don't deserve the name.

In fact, when I was a kid, when my mum was away, my dad always burned some curry findus pancakes for our tea. It has become a running joke in our family, admittedly a not very funny one to people on the outside.
permalink we had similar 'dad's cooking' related episodes
but mine latched on to the idea of the slow cooker early on and seemed convinced that anything, put in a slow cooker with a can of mushroom soup, would miraculously turn into a casserole over the course of several hours.

man i hate mushroom soup now.
permalink my dad wasn't much for cooking main courses
so it'd be chicken kiev, peas and chips pretty much every time.

He did make up for it by learning how to make amazingly good stodgy puddings that my mum wouldn't make as she was trying to make him diet
permalink lucky you
i just remembered 'spam fritter month' aswell, including the experiment with oxo batter. jebus
permalink My dad could make tomato and basil sauce for pasta,
and stew. We once had dry turkey and soggy sprouts one Christmas when my mum was in hospital and wanted us to still have a normal christmas but I forgive him that because it wasn't the best of times.
permalink My dad's only other "recipe" was fried egg and chips.
The chips were made in the deep-fat fryer and were the best chips known to man. I have never had chips as good as my dad used to make them.

He doesn't do any cooking now though.
permalink my dad made amazing deep fat fryer chips

he always claimed the trick was to double dunk them to get the outsides properly crispy
permalink Did your dad ever work in a chip shop?
They always double fry them too
permalink not that I'm aware of
though I'm pleased that his trick was based on proper professional practice
permalink I was under the impression that you fry them once very hot
to seal the outside, then reduce temperature and fry again, to get the insides nice and fluffy.
permalink I'm pretty sure it's the other way around
permalink My dad also made superb chips,
and I can honestly say that I have inherited his skillz.
permalink it seems to be a culinary skill that dads specialise in
permalink Ah, my l33t chip skillsz must have
developed because of babby_jimbob. Solved!
permalink The residents of Long Benton.
My housemate loves them. I quite like them, though they should make an adult sized version.
permalink never had one
don't think i've even seen them

i'm eating a lovely lovely pizza (parma & artichoke)
permalink yes i love them
they rock
permalink I coated my slippers in breadcrumbs and put them in the oven
now it looks like I'm wearing crispy pancakes around the office.
permalink no
i wanted to like them, but they were without fail, a disappointment.
permalink I was thinking about them the other day
and was half tempted to buy some, because I did used to enjoy them

then I remembered that at that time in my life, if it couldn't be cooked in a deep fat fryer then I wasn't able to prepare it, which probably coloured my perception more than a little, so I skipped it
permalink every now and then I consider getting a deep fat fryer
but I think it would make my not terribly healthy diet an order of magnitude less healthy
permalink i was talked out of getting a fryer
due to the universally acknowledged fact that i am a forgetful fuckwit and it would more than likely lead to me burning down multiple houses
permalink Weed + deep fat fryer
does sound like a bad combination...
permalink indeed
the last time i deep fried "spicy prawns" then made jam donuts the day after. the donuts were somewhat odd
permalink this, acutally, is a fine point
especially as the idea of chips would appeal to me upon stumbling in from a night on the sauce

I do have an old style one, but the only time I've ever seen them in use was on public safety warnings about chip pan fires, so I don't use it
permalink they are a terrible idea
I've resolved never to have another; the stink, the mess, and the health implications are all too much to bear
permalink they give me conflictions
the idea is great but they burn easily, leak easily, the beef ones are like soya and the texure of the pancake is a little odd. they are howdver, often on bogof, go great on a butty and are good munchies so long as you dont burn the skin off the inside of your mouth.

7/10

not as good as the much missed "toaster pockets" though
permalink we do not have them, but I see them.
We have пельмени (pelmehnyeh would be english speaking) which may be the same.
permalink where are you?


permalink Moscow
:)
permalink well from google images
they look roughly similar, being things with stuff in.

but imagine the pastry bit being like thin leather with orange breadcrumbs glued on, filled with napalm and gristle.
permalink Do you eat them
for special reason? Or are they food for poor people? Or are they special for special day?
They do not sound good
permalink The second . .

They are a prime example of what my mother called "Council House Food"

See also - anything advertised by Kerry Katona
permalink Do government shops sell them
or do they give them to the poor?
permalink Are you saying I'm a government scrounger?!
Nah, people actually spend their cash on them.
permalink No.
I am sorry.
I did not now.
permalink I'm only teasing :)
permalink :)
permalink We don't have government shops, you wee scamp.
they're definitely something you voluntarily purchase.

To be fair, they're a product of the late 1970's/early 1980's when we didn't know any better.

They have a certain childhood nostalgic charm to them.
permalink that's a good point
they are like early prototype junk food.
permalink i was trying to find a way to explain that without
coming over all middle class.

"council house food" does just fine though, i guess.

thing is they aren't especially cheap food, just lazy, processed food.
permalink Junk food
like mcdonald?
I had a bigmac one time. It was funny odd.
permalink ha, are you sure
you aren't a comedy login?
permalink I dont naturally speak english
so it maybe does not read like I think. I now it is not right total, but I try.
Sorry :(
permalink it's still much better than 90nz0 ever managed
and he didn't have the excuse of it being a foreign language
permalink haha
no worries, sounds fine,

i just feel a bit silly explaining findus crispy pancakes in detail, including social commentary.
permalink We did not have these things
years ago, so I do not now them. Now I do now.

If I sound bad I do not worry about being told, that will make me beter.
permalink heh
ok, but trust nothing anyone tells you here, without a second opinion.
permalink Don't believe this ^
permalink seconded
permalink /arf
permalink nothing like them
пельмени are tasty and nutritious and brilliant

*makes note to go to russian restaurant in Glasgow again*
permalink Have you been to Russia
or just food?
:)
permalink just food
I have had pelmeni and blintzes at this restaurant:
http://www.cossachok.com/

I'm hungry now.
permalink It looks traditional russian food
but that is the best. It fills up your belly.
permalink not even mr findus likes them
permalink I bet he does
mainly for the profit margins
permalink As a small child I always really wanted mum to get them* but she was too middle class for that
(*presumably because of some kind of clever child-targeted marketing)
consequently having never ever had them they remain the holy grail of food in my mind** so I must never ever eat them and destroy this illusion
** much like the toy/pair of trainers one never had as a child that would have made life unmeasurably better - that probably wouldn't have done
permalink I saw a Lamborghini Countach for the first time a few months back
and it was at least as awesome as it was in my head 20 years ago
permalink a kid at my boarding school's stepdad hired one for the day to pick him up for the weekend
sadly, he didn't notice the sleeping policeman as he tore down the school drive, which promptly ripped off the front spoiler.

We didn't take the piss, not at all.
permalink they've got about six on-loan lambos in the car park here at the moment
it's surprising how quickly one gets used to them and stops staring
permalink Heh, you wanted those Clarks magic key princess shoes too then?
permalink We never had pot noodles or white bread
when I was growing up, or basically any processed food at all. This meant that as soon as I left to go to uni I indulged in all these things. This made me the "fine" figure of a woman I am today. I should have listened to my Ma.
permalink same as me
with smack
permalink She had technique.
You just burnt your fingers.
permalink Oh wait.
I like the ones that are like little more solid triangles and have a thick slice of processed ham in them. They're lovely. I don't think they're Findus tho.

Damn, now I want some.
permalink only the cheese ones
and only in a nostalgic way from the days when farmer's markets sold stuff farmers had grown
permalink i grew up in the 80s
they were a staple!
permalink they
make awesome sandwiches with some ketchup.
Im usrhng my new nokia n95-2 8gig phone on here for the first time, my old samsung u600 put me off phone internet but this is awesome.